Yet another perfectly good friendship ruined over tits

href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:KateWinsletTitanic.jpg&action=edit" class="new" title="Image:KateWinsletTitanic.jpg">Image:KateWinsletTitanic.jpg-- I've got nothing against nudity or explicitness in an encyclopedic context (see e.g. my vote to keep the autofellatio pic), but this picture should be deleted for the same reason as the Charlotte Ross one. It's not encyclopedic--doesn't contribute anything to the article that we couldn't get from a different, less potentially controversial image. Meelar (talk) 00:13, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC) Please note: nominator is an agnostic social libertarian MoveOn member who voted to keep Image:Autofellatio2.jpg. All accusations of Christian conservatism are highly misplaced.

Keep for now. The edit history of the article appears to show an agreement to keep it in there, but there doesn't appear to have been any arguments for or against placed on the talk page. This should not be deleted until those involved with the article have had chance to have their say. Thryduulf 01:00, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Keep as I see it as a key part in their growing relationship. No, I didn't upload the image but certainly think it's exclusion should be considered censoring (Meeler is not the first to want to get rid of it). That said, I fail to see how this image WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not censored is satisfied to delete this image: no violated policies come to mind, it's not obviously inappropriate, and was released in a motion picture (meaning I can't fathom how it would violate FL laws). I think it merits inclusion and doesn't stand against policies to merit deletion. Cburnett 02:54, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

Keep. This is an encyclopedia, not a kiddie book. RickK 02:56, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

Delete. This is an encyclopedia, not a book for drooling adolescents. How very peculiar that of some 280,000 frames that might be selected to represent this film, the Wikipedia editorial process has led us to assert, apparently with straight faces, that the one with titties in it is the one that is most important. - Nunh-huh 03:06, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• One user chose this one frame of 280,000. That leaves you with 279,999 other frames to choose from if you want to upload another screenshot. I'm also not sure the "drooling adolescents" quip was necessary considering that there are 16.2 million hits and 1.5 million images hits for "porn" on google. This image is *much* closer to art than pornography. Cburnett 03:46, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • You shouldn't take "drooling adolescents" personally: however, it's an apt description for those who "happened" to choose the tittie pic as an illustration of the Titanic movie. The frame has been implicitly "defended" as a wise choice by all who vote to retain it, so it's not a case of it being the "judgment" of just one user. - Nunh-huh 04:50, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • You seem to be saying that anybody who might be of the opinion that this an attractive picture of a very moving, significant and memorable scene in the movie is a "drooling adolescent". Don't you consider it possible that grown-ups might like looking at pictures of beautiful half-naked women? --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:46, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Why not try reading what I am saying, and not reacting to what I "seem" to be saying? Yes, of course it's possible that grownups might like looking at pictures of half-naked women. Or fully naked women. Or fully naked men. Or naked children. But your (possible) desire to look at any of them is not a reason to have it in Wikipedia, and none of them are appropriate choices for illustrating this article. - Nunh-huh 17:59, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • I believe the article is about titanic and this is a very good still from Titanic, it illustrates a pivotal scene in the movie, and it's also a very pretty picture precisely because it shows a charming half-naked woman. So why do you continue to pretend that those who want to keep it are drooling imbeciles? --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:10, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • It's not a pretense, and "imbecile" is your word, not mine. I understand that you'd prefer to respond to what I didn't say, but you really should stop. - Nunh-huh 22:28, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
        • You're not using the word imbecile, but you are acting as if those who want this picture in the article only want it there because it has nudity. In other words, you're acting as if those who disagree with you are imbeciles. Moreover, when this is pointed out to you, you act in a very trollish manner. I think it is time that *you* stopped. Address the subject and stop insulting people. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:38, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
          • I've addressed the subject, though I've displeased you with an answer that disagrees with your opinion, and in return you've suggested I'm a troll. I don't think I'm the one who's doing the insulting here, Tony. - Nunh-huh 22:42, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
          • You've "addressed the subject" by describing those who like the picture in various insulting ways and steadfastly refusing to respond to suggestions that the image depicts a pivotal scene in the movie (the drawing is recovered from SS Titanic in the movie and kicks off the story), instead preferring to bang away on your highly personalized accusations against those who defend the picture. Enough! --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:50, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
            • If you disagree with me, that's fine. But I will continue to voice my opinions, whether you want to hear them or not. And when you try to "spin" my opinions as insults, I will continue to counter your mischaracterization. It's clear you'd like more breasts and blow-jobs in Wikipedia. I don't particularly think we need to have them in articles where they are irrelevant. - Nunh-huh 22:55, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
            • You just can't help yourself, can you? You deny that you're insulting anyone, but you just can't resist one more dig, one more bit of slimy innuendo. This isn't about a disagreement, it's about your use of inappropriate language, and your continual attempts to deflect criticism for it. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:35, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/KateWinsletTitanic