That's stupid, you fucking cocksucking faggots. We cool,, right?

People only ascertain the intended tone on an e-mail message about 56% of the time, not much better than chance, according to a study led by Prof. Nicholas Epley (University of Chicago) and Prof. Justin Kruger (New York University). The research also found that people think they've correctly interpreted the tone 90% of the time.

Epley and Kruger discovered that not only were the receivers of the e-mails overconfident about their understanding of the message's tone, but the senders were as well. About 78% of the senders thought that the receiver would correctly interpret the tone of their e-mail message.

Epley explained that "People in our study were convinced they've accurately understood the tone of an e-mail message when in fact their odds are no better than chance."

He observed that "people often think the tone or emotion in their messages is obvious because they 'hear' the tone they intend in their head as they write." Kruger likened this to findings from previous research by Elizabeth Newton that people vastly overestimated their ability to convey a tune by tapping out its rhythm. "It's impossible not to hear the song as you're tapping away," he said. "So you have a hard time separating yourself from your own perspective and realizing how impoverished the listeners' data really are."

Epley stated that similar misunderstandings of emotional tone play a major role in starting online flame wars.

The study has been published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.
-http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Study_says_people_don%27t_understand_the_emotional_tone_of_emails%2C_but_think_they_do

Dare I inquire about unonscious hatred and mistrust?

One particularly interesting feature of prosopagnosia is that it suggests both a conscious and unconscious aspect to face recognition. Experiments have shown that when presented with a mixture of familiar and unfamiliar faces, people with prosopagnosia may be unable to successfully identify the people in the pictures, or even make a simple familiarity judgement ("this person seems familiar / unfamiliar"). However, when a measure of emotional response is taken (typically a measure of skin conductance) there tends to be an emotional response to familiar people even though no conscious recognition takes place3.

This suggests emotion plays a significant role in face recognition, perhaps unsurprising when basic survival (particularly security) relies on identifying the people around you.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopagnosia

Dare I inquire about the correlation between this and split vs. swallow?

In the 1930s it was discovered that a majority of people did not respond to chemicals characterised by others as bitter. This was discovered in propylthiouracil and phenylthiocarbamide, two compounds discovered by Fox[3]. While other colleagues complained about the substances' bitterness, Fox himself did not notice this, and proceeded to do a small trial to compare, yielding the discovery that many were "tasteblind"[4]. Only in the 1990s did the opposite extreme, an exceptionally sensitive sense of taste, get its scientific label of "supertaster"[5]
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supertaster

Heh heh. "non-europeans".

The article should be illustrated with more typical signs, such as separate entrances for "Blankes / Europeans" and "Nie Blankes / Non Europeans", or "Slegs Blankes / Whites Only". (I think it was always "Blankes" in Afrikaans, but sometimes "Whites" and sometimes "Europeans" in English.) —AlanBarrett 19:44, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

As far as I know, the older signs said "Europeans", but that confused some American visitors, who naturally used the "Non-European" entrances, so it was changed to the more explicit "Whites". Elf-friend 21:13, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:South_Africa/Archive_1#Nuclear_Weapons

Only acceptable if they play funny horn music while trying to rob his grave.

He was buried near his birthplace in Southampton. In October 1992, following rumours that he was buried with large amounts of gold jewellery, an attempt was made by thieves to exhume his body.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Benny_Hill_Show

Yet Another Fun List! SUMMER IS HERE, BIKINIS THAT FIT YOUR BODY TYPE! (FAT, PROBABLY)

Allegations exhibiting several of the following features are candidates for classification as conspiracy theories. Confidence in such classification improves the more such features are exhibited:[citation needed]

1. Initiated on the basis of limited, partial or circumstantial evidence;
Conceived in reaction to media reports and images, as opposed to, for example, thorough knowledge of the relevant forensic evidence.
2. Addresses an event or process that has broad historical or emotional impact;
Seeks to interpret a phenomenon which has near-universal interest and emotional significance, a story that may thus be of some compelling interest to a wide audience.
3. Reduces morally complex social phenomena to simple, immoral actions;
Impersonal, institutional processes, especially errors and oversights, interpreted as malign, consciously intended and designed by immoral individuals.
9. Is produced and circulated by 'outsiders', often anonymous, and generally lacking peer review;
Story originates with a person who lacks any insider contact or knowledge, and enjoys popularity among persons who lack critical (especially technical) knowledge.
10. Is upheld by persons with demonstrably false conceptions of relevant science;
At least some of the story's believers believe it on the basis of a mistaken grasp of elementary scientific facts.
11. Enjoys zero credibility in expert communities;
Academics and professionals tend to ignore the story, treating it as too frivolous to invest their time and risk their personal authority in disproving.
12. Rebuttals provided by experts are ignored or accommodated through elaborate new twists in the narrative;
When experts do respond to the story with critical new evidence, the conspiracy is elaborated (sometimes to a spectacular degree) to discount the new evidence, often incorporating the rebuttal as a part of the conspiracy.
13. The conspiracy is claimed to involve just about anybody;
Conspiracy tales grow in the telling, and can swell to world-spanning proportions. As the adherents struggle to explain counter-arguments, the conspiracy grows even more (see preceding item). Conspiracy theories that have been around for a few decades typically encompass the whole world and huge portions of history.
14. The conspiracy centers on the "usual suspects";
Classical conspiracy theories feature people, groups or organizations that are discriminated against in the culture where the story is told. Jews and foreigners are a common target. Likewise, organizations with a bad or colorful reputation feature prominently, such as the Templars, the Nazis and just about any secret service.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory#Features

That's enough evidence for me...

A resident of Perth, Australia, with the pseudonym Una Ronald, says she saw a Coke bottle in the frame which was edited out of later versions, and says that many articles appeared discussing this in The West Australian newspaper at the time. Western Australia was the only place in the world that got their feed 'live' without delay.


A primary reason for the race to the moon was the Cold War - a competition of worldwide political and economic status and influence between the US and the USSR that dominated the history of the 20th century. The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and a formidable scientific community able to analyze NASA data, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing (Plait 2002:173), especially as they themselves had been unsuccessful in their own man-on-the-moon program. They would have scored enormous status in the eyes of the rest of the world by doing so. Conspiracy theorist Ralph Rene says that the USSR was bought off with secret shipments of grain.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_landing_hoax_accusations

I think that if our moon landing had been in anyway fake, the soviets would've been the first to snap up and distribute this information. And this was in the period of brezhnev before entente. He took any opportunity to embarass the united states, no matter the cost. Some soviet citizens skipping a meal or two would not be out of the ordinary to preserve pride. Finally, you would think the russian national archives would have a document two about the moon landing. "Hey Ivan, keep this under your hat, but the hated americans and thier moon program was a fake, but we're not going to tell, because they sent us some grain awile back." Conspiracy theorists are usually stupid. They are outsiders without expert or even basic knowledge of the events they weave together.

Got to come down hard on cute kittens

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Better to die at home then out in the park

Most of the heat wave victims were the elderly poor living in the heart of the city, who either had no working air conditioning or could not afford to turn it on. Many older citizens were also hesitant to open windows and doors at night for fear of crime. Elderly women, who may have been more socially engaged, were less vulnerable than elderly men. By contrast, during the heat waves of the 1930s, many residents slept outside in the parks or along the shore of Lake Michigan.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Heat_Wave_of_1995

Why didn't you tell us about the monkeys thing? Shit, we could've saved a lot of time.

After finishing school in Kenya, Maathai studied Biology in the United States and Germany. She received her Bachelor's degree in biology from Mount St. Scholastica (now Benedictine College) in 1964, and her Master's degree from the University of Pittsburgh, before returning to Nairobi, where, at the University of Nairobi, she earned the first Ph.D. awarded to an Eastern African woman (in veterinary medicine). In 1971, she became professor for veterinary anatomy at the University of Nairobi, and then later dean of her faculty. In 2002 Maathai accepted a position as Visiting Fellow at Yale University's Global Institute for Sustainable Forestry.

Maathai caused a stir among media commentators when, at a press conference following the announcement of the Nobel award, she spoke out in favor of the claim that the HIV virus was the product of bio-engineering, and then released in Africa by unidentified Western scientists as a weapon of mass destruction to "punish Blacks." The claim is supported by only a small minority, and is one of many AIDS conspiracy theories.

I have no idea who created AIDS and whether it is a biological agent or not. But I do know things like that don't come from the moon. I have always thought that it is important to tell people the truth, but I guess there is some truth that must not be too exposed.

I'm referring to AIDS. I am sure people know where it came from. And I'm quite sure it did not come from the monkeys. Why can't we be encouraged to ask ourselves these questions?
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wangari_Maathai

How are you quite sure that it didn't come from monkeys? You're a biology major, want to show us your evidence? Read us some of your peer reviewed papers? Great job on winning a nobel peace prize, but when you make a claim that AIDS was created by evil white scientists, you're going to need to bring some hard facts to the table.

For the duration of the world cup, please give it back to the afrikaaners

Nqakula recently caused an outrage among South Africans when he publicly said that South Africans who complain about the country's crime rate, should stop whining and leave the country. According to a United Nations Survey on Crime Trends [1], South Africa has the second highest murder rate in the world. South Africa also has the highest occurrence of rape in the world. Nqakula failed to realise the consequence of his statement, as many people around the world are starting to make travel arrangements for the 2010 FIFA World Cup.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Nqakula

What a ridiculous idiot. More important than having the same skin is having the same type of brain. A man in a suit who lives in a mansion telling people on the street to stop complaining about crime rates, specifically rape and murder, will inevitably be toppled. Or perhaps not. Africans are tolerant in ways that we are not, and intolerant in ways that were are not. Someday africa will awake from this nightmare, but not anytime soon.

Pop Quiz:

The economy of the Democratic Republic of the Congo—a nation endowed with vast potential wealth—has declined drastically since the mid-1980s. The two recent conflicts (the First and Second Congo Wars), which began in 1996, have dramatically reduced national output and government revenue, have increased external debt, and have resulted in the deaths from war, famine, and disease of perhaps 3.8 million people. Foreign businesses have curtailed operations due to uncertainty about the outcome of the conflict, lack of infrastructure, and the difficult operating environment. The war has intensified the impact of such basic problems as an uncertain legal framework, corruption, inflation, and lack of openness in government economic policy and financial operations.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo

If you are one of the world's poorest nations, what should you not do?
Alex, I'm going to go with
"fight two massive wars that completely destroy your infrastructure and the infrastructure of surrounding nations."

ooo, I'm sorry, the answer we were looking for was "blame your problems on not enough positive media coverage."

Yes, we could learn something from the africans. In fact, we already have. Should we continue learning from them our results that are likely to be similar to theirs.

Thanks for clearing things up

How is what I posted non-factual? Explain it to me---with facts, not your own personal thoughts. I provided 3 different links supporting the article---all 3 are credible and non-biased. 50 calling Bush a "gangster" is just a small part of the cited sources. He also said that he would have voted for Bush, he said that the slow response to Katrina wasn't Bush's fault, he said that people ought to lay off of Bush a little because so many extraordinary things have happened in his presidency. I challenge you to provide links of your own that refute my links. Until you can, you have no basis for deleting the "political views" article. You're only stated reason for deletion so far is that you don't BELIEVE 50 Cent really means all that. Well, how the hell do you know? Do you personally talk to 50? Again...until you can provide links that contradict my links then you are pretty much vandalizing Wikipedia by deleting things that you don't like. 24.35.15.107 15:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

no he was shot at 9 times its a fact he admits it look at his interview on mtv if u can find it. also he only spent 9 weeks in prison to the 9 months he claim

-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_Martin

Wikipedia is not your retarded forum. You can tell because you don't have a giant idiotic signature line, nor is everyone on here stupid. Goddamn.

You know what else?

Actually there is no credible source that denies Franken has made loan guarantees. Franken hasn't even denied it. The only denial has come fron the Network but their credibility is in question given the criinal investigation they are now a principal in. On the other hand both the New York Sun and New York Post have confirmed Franken's loan guarantees and, despite AAR's protest, they have not retracted their statement. The why to handle that in the article is not by your censorship and vandalism but by including AAR's denial of the facts
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Air_America-Gloria_Wise_loan_controversy

Franken also hasn't denied being the bikini strangler. Nor has he denied being caught on tape cumming in the face of a 14 year old girl during a child-sex police sting. In fact, there are a lot of suspicious accusations flying around. Henry Kissinger hasn't denied being an evil lizard man, nor has George W. Bush denied using cocaine. Something strange is happening here, and I bet all it will take is one asshole on wikipedia to fix the entire issue.

Cowards!

On April 24, 2005, a pre-recorded comedy routine broadcast during The Randi Rhodes Show sparked a minor controversy. The United States Secret Service reviewed the broadcast and did not pursue further investigation or action. Rhodes broadcasted that day from a Florida studio instead of her home studio in New York City.

The broadcast's opening skit was a monologue featuring an old man, saying: "We saw America through the Great Depression and hot and cold wars. Our muscles boosted this nations' economic superiority to dizzying heights. And then our time came to enjoy just a little of the comfort and security we brought to the U.S. of A. So we joined with others of our era to protect what's rightfully ours. But now we've learned the AARP isn't enough. Our pensions have been stolen our health benefits cut and those of us with homes too often have to choose between heat and food. A spoiled child is telling us our Social Security isn't safe anymore, so he is going to fix it for us. Well, here's your answer, you ungrateful whelp: [Sound effect of 3 gunshots.] The AAARP: the American Association of Armed Retired People. Just try it, you little bastard. [Sound effect of gun being cocked.]"

The implication, according to Matt Drudge, is that the spoiled child is George W. Bush. Randi Rhodes apologized for that skit on Wednesday, April 27, 2005, saying: "It was a bit. It was bad. I apologize a thousand times." She claimed that neither she nor her producer, both of who were on the road that week, were involved in writing or producing the bit, nor had they reviewed the bit prior to its broadcast. However, she said that since the segment aired on her show, she accepted full responsibility for any wrongdoing and promised full cooperation with any subsequent investigation.

Jon Sinton, Air America's president of programming said "We are not under investigation from the Secret Service. We regret that a produced comedy bit that was in bad taste slipped through our normal vetting process. We do acknowledge that it was an internal error and internal discipline will be enforced."
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_America_Radio

If you want to get anywhere, you have to be like these chaps...

Der Stürmer ("The Attacker") was a weekly Nazi newspaper published by Julius Streicher from 1923 to the end of World War II in 1945, with a brief suspension in circulation during the 1936 Berlin Olympics. It was a significant part of the Nazi propaganda machinery and was vehemently anti-Semitic. Unlike the Völkischer Beobachter, the official party paper which gave itself an outwardly serious appearance, the tabloid-style Der Stürmer often ran obscene materials such as pornography, ran anti-Catholic and anti-"reactionary" material, mixed with extremely anti-Semitic caricatures and open, undisguised hate propaganda like accusations of blood libel.

Der Stürmer was most notorious for its anti-Semitic cartoons, most of which portrayed Jews as ugly characters with exaggerated facial features and misshapen bodies. Philipp Rupprecht, known as Fips, was one of the most well-known anti-Semitic cartoonists making virulent attacks on "Jewish capitalism" and "Jewish Communism".

At the bottom of the title page there was always the motto "Die Juden sind unser Unglück!" ("The Jews are our misfortune!"); below its nameplate was the motto "Deutsches Wochenblatt zum Kampfe um die Wahrheit" ("Germany's Weekly Newspaper for the Fight for Truth.)"
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Sturmer

I am convinced that the format is more important than the message. Even though air america and the conservative talk shows both use the radio medium, they use wildly different formats. The liberals are all gathered together like a wagon train's last defense against an indian attack. They labeled themselves as "liberal". If one listens closely to the conservative hosts, one realizes they never even call themselves republicans. They create a personna where they claim to go after all issues and all sides equally, then spout reactionary "plain-sense" falsehoods that contain a tiny grain of truth in them. They don't claim to be pushing an agenda. They claim to be just regular people calling it like they see it. Because they are not officially attached to any party, they may call for the murder of political opponents, lie blatantly, never apologize and generally hold ridiculously incorrect views on reality. Through it all, they take callers. Callers are of two varieties: a) stupid people who agree with them. b) stupid people who do not agree with them. This is not an accident. All of the calls are pre-screened and only those that mesh perfectly with the show are permitted, but much like "democracy" it gives the illusion of participation.

The liberals are timid. They apologize for jokes that the mad dogs of fanatical fascism declare to be in bad taste, while the conservatives daily explore the idea of treason trials and invading whatever country is the evil flavor of the week. And so, they are weak and disconnected from the general public. They can survive only in artificial climates, such as college towns and parts of new england. They must study Der Sturmer. It is far enough away from them that they can study the technique without becoming hopelessly entangled in contemporary issues. They must attack, attack, attack. They must hammer away at thier opponents on every level, launching salvo after salvo of accusations. And not 'liberal-style' accusations. "He doesn't believe in ozone depletion." "He's not culturall sensitive" and the rest are not enough to beach these whales of the reaction. attack anywhere and everywhere at all times, but for god's sake, drag them down with you. There's no sense in them floating and you sinking. For the good of humanity, drown together.

Speaking ill of the dead.

Much too in-depth

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only thing that makes her notable is her murder and the ensuing media circus. There's no reason to include information such as

"Sharon Rocha moved to San Jose in 1977, but felt that the city was too large for her. She soon moved back to Modesto. Upon her return to Modesto, her cousin Gwen Kemple introduced her to Ron Grantski. A year and half later, Grantski and Rocha moved into a three-bedroom home with Brent Rocha and Laci Peterson. They never married."

"At Cal Poly, Laci Rocha majored in ornamental horticulture. Her desire was to one day open a specialty plant shop."

"Sharon Rocha feared that Gain would have a negative effect on her daughter's ambitious attitude toward school, but this did not strain the relationship between Gain and Laci. In fact, the two lived together in Laci's new home in Morro Bay, a small town north of Cal Poly."

All of the information in the biography can be condensed into about a paragraph. The sources for this information would be better used to illustrate examples of excessive media coverage and missing white woman syndrome rather than giving the reader every gruesomely mundane detail that has ever been reported by any media source.

Recommendations: a) Trim the biography down to one paragraph. b) Create a section on the quantity and specifics of media coverage. c) merge/delete the 'suspect' part of the article with Scott Peterson, with the exception of the delightfully tasteful few sentences on "finding the body".

I will do this in the next few days. If anyone has any concerns or ideas for a major revamp of the article, let me know and we can collaborate. Detruncate 04:31, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Laci_Peterson

I was going to add a section about Himmler being an agrinomicist and wanting to own a farm one day and playing matchmaker but having difficulty meeting girls because of his firm catholic beliefs to illustrate the idea of excessive article depth. I chose not to, because I am very wise and not everyone respects the amateur social engineering himmler dabbled in.

It's all in how you slice it

Being a victim is empowering. In this plastic society, anything authentic, but especially suffering, gives one power.

Even a well-behaved projectile causes problems? Fuck!

In the event of an accident, even a well-behaved dog can become a dangerous projectile that can seriously injure the driver or passengers in seats in front of the dog.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crate_training

The Language Barrier continues to kick our asses

Most experts advise against punishing dogs when they defecate indoors, at least during the early part of the housebreaking process. This is not because they believe all punishment is necessarily inhumane, but because it can very easily create more problems than it solves. If a dog is punished for urinating or defecating, especially before it really understands where it is supposed to defecate, quite often it will simply learn not to defecate when people are watching. It may actually begin to avoid defecating when its owner brings it outside. Then, when the dog is indoors, it will look for an opportunity to hide and relieve itself, creating a mess in a place where the owner may not find it until hours or even days later. This can make house-training much more difficult than it needs to be.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_break

Fun fun fun!

Beginning in the late 1980s, the term was introduced into the discourse on parliamentary politics by Belgian commentators. At that time, the Flemish nationalist and far right Vlaams Blok party began to make significant electoral gains. Because the Vlaams Blok was catalogued as a racist group, the other Belgian political parties committed to exclude the party from any coalition government, even if that forced the formation of grand coalition governments between ideological rivals. Commentators dubbed this agreement Belgium's cordon sanitaire. In 2004, its successor party, Vlaams Belang changed its party platform to allow it to comply with the law. While no formal new “cordon sanitaire” agreement has been signed against it, it nevertheless stays uncertain whether any mainstream Belgian party will enter into coalition talks with Vlaams Belang in the near future.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordon_sanitaire

A great illustration of what you can do with a parliment that trumps what can be done with a congress. Over here, a grand coalition is a one party state with no opposition.

Good! Now if only he would ahere to his own beliefs.

Sailer has described his starting point in analyzing political policies as being concerned with the greatest good for U.S. citizens, as opposed to being concerned with the greatest good for one's "identity group." He refers to this as a "citizenist" stance.[4]

Sailer writes about racial issues in terms of the 'breeding population' definition used by biologists and evolutionary scientists, arguing: "A race is simply an extremely extended family that inbreeds to some degree [whereas] a species [...] inbreeds virtually exclusively."[5][6]
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Sailer

Inside this issue: 50 great reasons to be white and 37 tanning tips!

According to McIntosh's article, "White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack", the following is a list of the privileges that white people enjoy:


* 1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

* 2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

* 3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

* 4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

* 5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

* 6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

* 7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

* 8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

* 9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.

* 10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.

* 11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.

* 12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.

* 13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

* 14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

* 15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

* 16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.

* 17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.

* 18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.

* 19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

* 20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

* 21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

* 22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

* 23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

* 24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.

* 25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.

* 26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.

* 27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.

* 28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.

* 29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

* 30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

* 31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.

* 32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.

* 33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

* 34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

* 35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.

* 36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.

* 37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.

* 38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.

* 39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

* 40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.

* 41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.

* 42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.

* 43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.

* 44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.

* 45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.

* 46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.

* 47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.

* 48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.

* 49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.

* 50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peggy_McIntosh

It would seem to me that peggy mcintosh is a tragically narrowminded and racist figure. Either that, or very, very ignorant. What she lists are the implicit privilages any majority has in an area where they have political, cultural, economic, and social power. Whites certainly wouldn't enjoy these advantages in tawain or turkey, in the whole of africa or south america. The dominant racial group would.


In black africa, members of the same tribe (but not the same skin color, of course Lunatics like peggy mcintosh are so eager to turn 'minorities' into one monolithic gray paste.) have all these advantages, whereas whites, asians, and indians do not. Minorities in all black neighborhoods have difficulties that blacks have in all white neighborhoods in particular regressive parts of the country, be it LA or mississipi. The minority will always be at a disadvantage. They will have to work harder to protect their culture. they will be under suspicion, harassed, and generally be extended less courtesy and sympathy. Humans are tribal creatures. We associate with members of our own tribe more than we do with other tribes implicitly, and we have to work to overcome this seemingly rational bias rather than claiming it is a one way street.

As for language, english is a west germanic language with a romance (heavily french) vocabulary. Gaelic peoples, nordics, and the basque peoples are pointedly left out, as are the slavs, turks, and berbers. Language isn't racist, but it does have a tendency to be more applicable and useful to the culture that formed it.

Humans will always find reasons to hate one another en masse. I might not get a job because I look jewish or because this employer has had bad experiences with males under 25. They might be looking for a few token minorities for office pictures and have no need for another western european. They might hate the smell of my deodorant, or that I didn't use deodorant. They may percieve me as being too tall or not tall enough. They may hate short people or thin people.

A conversation with a man who owned a small landscaping company was revealing. He didn't hire people who wore baggy pants or oversized "rap" shirts, of any race. He observed that the best workers were mexicans, blacks who didn't dress like thugs, and white rednecks. If you were white and didn't look like a redneck, there was a bias against you. If you were black and looked like a thug, there was a bias against you. and if you were mexican, there was a bias in favor of you. These were his personal observations, having worked in the business over 25 years.

Know it. Use it. On white people.

A Cablinasian is a person of Caucasian, Black, American Indian and Asian racial background. For example, Tiger Woods, who coined the term, is one-quarter black, one-quarter Chinese, one-quarter Thai, one-eighth American Indian, and one-eighth Dutch.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cablinasian

I'm a good wingman

A wingman is a man who is expected to support his friend in approaching women. The men often pick a desired woman, who is referred to as the "target." The man intending to seduce the target is often called the "pilot." The wingman is expected to back up the pilot, which typically entails talking to the target's less attractive friend(s) and making comments that will make the pilot seem more attractive. This is often referred to as "taking one for the team."
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingman_%28social%29

"dude, remember that time you got caught masturbating at that birthday party?"
"this guy *points to 'pilot'* is crazy. Every girl he's ever gone out with has some serious bruises and a restraining order against him."
"You're scractching your junk a lot. Are your herpes flaring up right now, man, or do you have crabs again?

Wierd and Creepy and ineffectual

"AMOG destroyers," (or "AMOGing," "AMOG tactics") i.e. dealing with competing males in the group with backhanded compliments or subtle jibes, such as picking an item of clothing they are wearing and making fun of them for it. "AMOG" stands for "Alpha Male Other Guy (or Alpha Male of Group)," and "AMOG" can also be used as a verb: to "AMOG" someone. AMOG destroyers are designed to establish oneself as the dominant person in the group. (Origin: Tyler Durden.)
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_Community

I frequently find the best way to pick up chicks is to make fun of clothing items other guys are wearing. Women seem to respond well to that. The question is, even if it works, what on earth would you want to do with a person who is attacted to something so vulgar and pathetic?

Throw shit at him...

The Upper Room is an installation of 13 paintings of rhesus macaque monkeys by British artist Chris Ofili in a specially-designed room. It was bought by the Tate Gallery in 2005 and caused controversy as Ofili was on the board of Tate trustees at the time of the purchase.

On August 14, 2005 The Sunday Telegraph published an article by their arts correspondent, Chris Hastings, with the heading, "Chris Ofili said artists should give work to the Tate for nothing... so why has he accepted £100,000 for one of his dung pictures?" It expressed criticism of the Tate's purchase, because Ofili was a serving trustee (which had not previously been mentioned in the press), and, furthermore, the previous year had urged other artists to donate work to the Tate because of a shortage of funds to buy new acquisitions.[1]
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Upper_Room_%28paintings%29

Everyone complains about enron and corporate ceos and lobbyists and conflicts of interest, but only about 5 people care about this When are we going to have some big art scandals? I demand artists being thrown in jail for 25 years for fraud. Or for having kiddy porn. Or for doing coke. Really, anything that gets artists behind bars and away from painting supplies I'm for.

Art is Art

The found object in art has been a subject of polarised debate in Britain throughout the 1990s due to the use of it by the YBAs. It has been rejected by the general public and journalists, and supported by public museums and art critics. In his 2000 Dimbleby lecture, Who's afraid of modern art, Sir Nicholas Serota advocated such kinds of "difficult" art, while quoting opposition such as the Daily Mail headline "For 1,000 years art has been one of our great civilising forces. Today, pickled sheep and soiled beds threaten to make barbarians of us all".[4] A more unexpected rejection in 1999 came from artists—some of whom had previously worked with found objects—who founded the Stuckists group and issued a manifesto denouncing such work in favour of a return to painting with the statement "Ready-made art is a polemic of materialism".
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Readymade

I believe everyone is missing the point. Modern 'found art' pieces are unoriginal and uninteresting. Submitting a urinal as a piece of art in 1917 was remarkable, revolutionary. Doing much the same thing 70 years later garners one no credit. Demanding voting right for women in 1870 makes them progressive, and on the fringe of society, engaged in a war against the dominant culture. Doing so now would be met with derision and confusion at the pointlessness. Such an act is no longer revolutionary. Such an act is no longer important. Time and place are both absolutely crucial for determining the importance and meaning of something. People who live in a comfortable time and a comfortable place wish to blur that truth. They want to assert that reading the book lolita, here, in the united states, is just as subversive as reading it in Iran.

These smirking imbeciles without a sense of history seem to believe that everything they do is new and important. The artist may supplement the culture, challenge the culture, engage in personal expression or do some combination of all three. A shoddy imitation that purports to be something new is entirely unwelcome.

What would be revolutionary now, what I will do next year, would be to take a urinal, write "R. Mutt" on the side of it, and demand that it be displayed as art. This would be a precise imitation of duchamp. The gallery foolish enough to do so would expose the total bankruptcy and slavish devotion of 'the art world' to dead objects over living ideas. It would cause artists, art museums, and morons who 'enjoy' this piffle to take a step back. The whole point of the urinal was that it was NOT art. That NOTHING was art. It was not meant to allow persons of suspicious moral character to name anything and everything as 'art'. Dada wanted the most brutal exclusion, not the most idiotic inclusion. Dada wanted the word art to be empty. Dada would not allow art to exist. Your bed, your twig, your painting that a 5 year old could do, all of them are not art. There is no art. Take pleasure in what you want. Enjoy the paintings of actual five year olds or demand the finest classic art. Find beauty in majestic landscapes or fetid garbage cans. Enjoy what you enjoy. Art slipping away. Art is dead, or perhaps it never lived and was merely an illusion. Ejoy what you enjoy without giving it pretensions of value or meaning. Accept that the tastes of the self and the other may be different or the same, but take joy from both.

First Name is a fun trivia question:

Zebulon Montgomery Pike (January 5, 1779–April 27, 1813) was an American soldier and explorer for whom Pikes Peak in Colorado is named. His Pike expedition, often compared to the Lewis and Clark expedition, mapped much of the southern portion of the Louisiana Purchase.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebulon_Pike

The cloak covers without bias

o Neutralization Theory. Criminals rationalize actions by neutralizing the definitions of crime.
o 5 major types of neutralization:
+ Denial Of Responsibility: Propelled helplessly into crime.
+ Denial Of Injury: Crime does not hurt anyone, not morally wrong.
+ Denial Of The Victim: Victim did not receive injury but rather, rightful force.
+ Condemnation Of The Condemners: Condemners are hypocrites, deviants as well.
+ Appeal To Higher Loyalties: Loyalty to a higher power than law, like friendship.

-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviancy
The problem with these rationalizations is that they protect indiscriminately, the correct and the incorrect.

Welllll.........

On December 6th, 2005, Muller drew a swarm of controversy when he verbally attacked Howard Dean on Fox News Channel's Fox and Friends, antagonizing with such words as "vile", "bloodthirsty", "evil", and retaliated to Dean's opinions on the War in Iraq calming dean as a traitor that deserves to be "tried for treason".
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancow

People get away with crazy shit.

Maybe you should stop working on that book you got the idea for when you were 12.

The book describes the protracted war between the domineering King Gorice of Witchland and the Lords of Demonland in an imaginary world that appears mainly medieval and partly reminiscent of Norse sagas.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Worm_Ouroboros

This Maggot Farm has been in our family for generations

Maggots are bred commercially, as a popular bait in angling, and a food for carnivourous pets such as reptiles or birds. Due to the increasing popularity of maggots, a maggot vending machine has been installed in the English county town of Northampton.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggots

(Maggot) Farm-Aid was a big failure. It's hard to get a grassroots community organzation to help save the struggling local maggot businesses.

In the United States, Medical Maggots are regulated by the Food and Drug Administration as a prescription only medical device. With acceptance of premarket notification 510(k) 033391 in January of 2004, the Food and Drug Administration granted Dr. Ronald Sherman permission to produce and market maggots for use in humans or other animals as a prescription use medical device for the following indications:

"For debriding non-healing necrotic skin and soft tissue wounds, including pressure ulcers, venous stasis ulcers, neuropathic foot ulcers and non-healing traumatic or post surgical wounds."

Medical Maggots represent the first living organism ever allowed by the modern Food and Drug Administration for production and marketing. Currently, there are over 350 health care centers in the United States that have utilized maggot therapy.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggot_therapy

How'd you like to pick that perscription up at your local drugstore? (for those in England, please ignore north american instructions and replace part 0852FFF 'drugstore' with part 0936A22 'chemist'.

Liars

...aesthetic judgments may be culturally conditioned to some extent. Victorians in Britain often saw African sculpture as ugly, but just a few decades later, Edwardian audiences saw the same sculptures as being beautiful.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetic

I believe the truth is that the british could not effectively judge, and cannot effectively judge them, because they have been removed from the original context and meaning. When it became fashionable to denigrate the african, the creations of the african were ugly. When it became fashionable to pretend to embrace the african and his culture, the creations of the african were beatiful.

Women rate thier favorite shortest and longest......wars.

The Anglo-Zanzibar War was fought between the United Kingdom and Zanzibar on 27 August 1896. With a duration of only 45 minutes, it holds the record of being the shortest war in recorded history.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zanzibar_War

What a very italian and dutch war.

The Three Hundred and Thirty Five Years' War (1651-1986) was a war between the Netherlands and the Isles of Scilly (located off the southwest coast of the United Kingdom). It lasted 335 years without a single shot being fired which would make it the longest war and with the fewest casualties. Despite uncertain validity of the declaration of war, peace was declared in 1986.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Hundred_and_Thirty_Five_Years%27_War

THe kind of war fought between two pragmatic peoples.

Never allow the leisure class to become too bored

It is alleged that Elizabeth started to kill young women between the years 1585 and 1610, and that her husband and her relatives knew about her sadistic inclination, but they did not directly intervene. While her husband lived, she apparently kept her activities to a moderate level, but upon his death any restraints he may have imposed on her (or she on herself) were completely removed. It is said that people living around her castle hated her so much that she only left the castle under an armed escort. However, she did torture some girls at her properties in Sárvár and Keresztúr. Her possible victims were initially local peasant girls, many of whom were lured to Cachtice by offers of well-paid work. However, when stories spread of the countess's inclinations, the supply of new maids began to dwindle. At this point, she may have begun to kill daughters of lower gentry, who were sent to her castle by their parents to learn noble manners; Báthory had allegedly erected a sham school to entice the lower gentry to hand their daughters over to the Countess. In the early 17th century, parents of substantial position often wished their daughters to be educated in the social graces and etiquette. As rumours spread further throughout the Hungarian Kingdom concerning the actions of the Countess, she may have had girls kidnapped both locally and from more distant areas.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erzs%C3%A9bet_B%C3%A1thory

It's nice to see a strong, opinionated woman take control and...bathe in the blood of servant girls.

What do octupi become stressed about? The answer is at 11!

Stressed Octopuses can sometimes suffer from autophagy, or self-cannibalism. That is what is described as "eating its own arms." It is believed that it is caused by a virus/bacteria which can manage to take hold on a stressed octopus. The biting is said to be due to irritation and biting alleviates the affected area. An octopus can lose an arm without harm and regrow it.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-cannibalism

Disease is a friend.

Francisco Goya [8] was considered skilled but unremarkable until he contracted lead poisoning in his late forties and painted a series of disturbing paintings called "the Caprices."
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning

If you want to know what's going on in the world, read the wall street journal, not newsweek.

"A Measure of Media Bias," [3] a December 2004 study conducted by Tim Groseclose of the University of California, Los Angeles and Jeff Milyo of the University of Missouri, stated that:
One surprise is the Wall Street Journal, which we find as the most liberal of all 20 news outlets [studied]. We should first remind readers that this estimate (as well as all other newspaper estimates) refers only to the news of the Wall Street Journal; we omitted all data that came from its editorial page. If we included data from the editorial page, surely it would appear more conservative.
Second, some anecdotal evidence agrees with our result. For instance, Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid (2001) note that "The Journal has had a long-standing separation between its conservative editorial pages and its liberal news pages." Paul Sperry, in an article titled the "Myth of the Conservative Wall Street Journal," notes that the news division of the Journal sometimes calls the editorial division "Nazis." "Fact is," Sperry writes, "the Journal's news and editorial departments are as politically polarized as North and South Korea."
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Journal

Amazing

The New York Times reported that the paste is administered in 500 kilocalorie (2.1 MJ) packets, twice daily, for two to four weeks, in combination with Unimix, a vitamin-enriched flour for making porridge, and will reverse malnutrition in severely malnourished children1. The cost for four weeks of Plumpy'nut and Unimix is $20 per child.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumpy%27nut

What a mindblowingly low figure. The solution is not with this generation, however. They are already malnurished, trodden down, desensitized, destroyed. We must get to the next generation. It is so incredibly important that they be given enough food to prevent permenent body and brain damage. So also is peace, stability, freedom from major disease, and education. It does not, it should not, require a miracle. It should be easy to do, but it is not. No one does it.

I imagine my cells just sticking iron any place they can find

Iron deficiency anemia is the final stage of iron deficiency. When the body has sufficient iron to meet its needs (functional iron), the remainder is stored for later use in the bone marrow, liver, and spleen.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_deficiency_anemia


Unrelated note: I'm not decided firmly as to how to handle multiple 'snippets' from the same entry that have decidedly different themes. I suppose for now it'll just be 'whichever is easier at that moment.'

Iron Deficiency is Sexist

Iron deficiency anemia occurs when the dietary intake or absorption of iron is insufficient, and hemoglobin, which contains iron, cannot be formed. In the United States, 20% of all women of childbearing age have iron deficiency anemia, compared with only 2% of adult men. The principal cause of iron deficiency anemia in premenopausal women is blood lost during menses.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_deficiency_anemia

Part the Pubic Hair to Find an interesting fact.

Humans have the same number of hair follicles as gorillas, chimpanzees and orangutans, but body hair is generally very fine or barely visible in comparison.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pubic_hair

A good book to have when you go to the bog

An early mediaeval Christian psalter (prayer book) was discovered in a bog in the Midland Region of Ireland in July 2006. It is estimated to have been in the bog for between 1,000 and 1,200 years, but the book itself has yet to be formally identified, named or dated by Irish archaeological authorities.

It was uncovered by a worker extracting peat with a bulldozer. Dr. Patrick Wallace, director of the National Museum, lauded the finder for immediately having covered the book with damp soil, as exposure to dry air after so many centuries of dampness might have destroyed it.

The book is being stored in refrigeration at the National Museum. Identifying the safest way to pry open the pages without damaging or destroying them could take months, and conservation work could take two years. A team of archaeologists continues to explore the site.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_bog_Psalter
This is the first time in human history that someone has been lauded for covering a book with damp soil.

So...

Regent International University is an unaccredited "school" without any address listed on its official webpage.[1]Regent International University is not accredited by any recognised accreditation body. As such, its degrees may not be acceptable to employers or other institutions, and use of degree titles may be restricted or illegal in some jurisdictions.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regent_international_university

So... how many hot girls are there?

I propose a change: That this activity be renamed practical-asshole joking.

* False signalling, such as a 'kick me' note stuck on someone's back, an 'automatic door' sign on a normal swinging door, or dropping an empty carton on someone's foot after pretending it is heavy;
* Removing someone's clothing so that it exposes a private body part or their undergarments, particularly in public;
* Surprise disruption, employing (for example) trip-wires, whoopee cushions, peanut butter on the inside of a car door handle, punctured ketchup packets under the toilet seat, or a three-legged podium for a public speaker;
* Visual deception, such as water-filled balloons, plastic wrap on a toilet seat, 'apple-pie beds' which have had the top blanket artfully folded back so the victim cannot get all the way in, loosening the tops of salt shakers, causing its entire contents to spill on one's meal, fake flowers in the lapel which squirt water, rubber fruit and guns which unfurl a flag saying 'bang';
* Fool's errands such as sending someone to buy striped paint, water-proof towels, or read-only CD blanks (see also: snipe hunt);
* Hoax stories or situations perpetrated on or by the media such as fabricated UFO landings and fake celebrity interviews involving rude or ludicrous questions (see also: culture jamming);
* Spontaneous impersonations, such as taking an order for takeaway food from someone who has actually dialed a wrong number;
* Verbal and typographical pranks, such as printing a block of text so that the first letters of every line spell out an irreverent message (see also Acrostic), or teaching someone a purportedly useful phrase in another language which transpires to be an insult (such as "Tu es une vache", which means "You are a cow" in French.)
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practical_joke

He has become Shiv, the destroyer of worlds.

This is clearly sexist. The references to male acts simply reinforces the stereotypical male philosophy of judging women based on their physical characteristics. One can easily find photographs of contortionists in such positions as to make autocunnilingue possible (though typical photographs will show women wearing clothes). Also, an edited photograph will bear typical numerical noise at the edited parts. I you cannot find them, you can have a good presumption that the image is genuine. Rama 14:45, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

So it's sexist to point out that men's genitals generally extend several inches further than women's? One might claim that the assertion that there are easily found photographs of contortionists in such positions as to make the act possible displays stereotypical female weak spatial analysis -- but that would clearly be sexist, as is talk of "the stereotypical male philosophy". -- Jibal 01:04, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Autocunnilingus

Removed statement that It is usually helpful to have a willing ... partner — perhaps "legal" would have been a better word than "helpful". Vashti 16:49, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Deep_throat_%28sexual_act%29

I spend too much time on the sex portions of wikipedia. It's just that human sexuality is really, really funny, and people do nothing to make it less so.

To return to the original spirt of this thing!

In recent years, the governors of many states have made public apologies for their past programs beginning with Virginia and followed by Oregon and California. None have offered to compensate those sterilized, however, citing that few are likely still living (and would of course have no affected offspring)...
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization

That's goddamn funny. I fear that this has turned into a graveyard for long articles filled with two much information to be snappy and incisive. I have used this as a scrapbook and not a place to capture the funny, the bizzare, the brilliant, and the grotesque of wikipedia. I pledge to post shorter and more interesting excerpts from now on. The only thing I will not apologize for, I cannot apologize for, is the incredibly long David Cross talk page "Is he a Jew" discussion. That is all.

Judges, 3:7

Skinner v. State of Oklahoma, Ex. Rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535 (1942)[1], was the United States Supreme Court ruling which held that compulsory sterilization could not be sentenced as a punishment for a crime.

Under Oklahoma's Habitual Criminal Sterilization Act of 1935, the state could sentence compulsory sterilization as part of their judgment against individuals who had been convicted three or more times of crimes "amounting to felonies involving moral turpitude." The defendant, Jack T. Skinner, had been convicted once for chicken-stealing and twice for armed robbery.

The motivation behind the law was primarily eugenic: to try and weed "unfit" individuals from the gene pool. Criminal sterilization laws like the one in Oklahoma were designed to target "criminality," believed by some at the time to possibly be a hereditary trait. Most punitive sterilization laws, including the Oklahoma statute, prescribed vasectomy as the method of rendering the individual infertile (which, unlike castration, does not affect sexual urge or function) in males, and salpingectomy in females (a relatively invasive operation, requiring heavy sedation, and hence with more risks to personal well-being).

In section 195 of the act, it was specifically outlined that "offenses arising out of the violation of the prohibitory laws, revenue acts, embezzlement, or political offenses, shall not come or be considered within the terms of this Act."

This particular exception is what was chiefly behind the ruling. The Court unanimously held that the Act violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, because white-collar crimes like embezzlement were excluded from the Act's jurisdiction. Justice William O. Douglas concluded that:

Oklahoma makes no attempt to say that he who commits larceny by trespass or trick or fraud has biologically inheritable traits which he who commits embezzlement lacks. We have not the slightest basis for inferring that that line has any significance in eugenics, nor that the inheritability of criminal traits follows the neat legal distinctions which the law has marked between those two offenses. In terms of fines and imprisonment, the crimes of larceny and embezzlement rate the same under the Oklahoma code. Only when it comes to sterilization are the pains and penalties of the law different. The equal protection clause would indeed be a formula of empty words if such conspicuously artificial lines could be drawn.

Furthermore, because of the social and biological implications of reproduction, and the irreversibility of sterilization operations, Justice Douglas also stressed that compulsory sterilization laws in general should be held to strict scrutiny:

The power to sterilize, if exercised, may have subtle, far-reaching and devastating effects. In evil or reckless hands it can cause races or types which are inimical to the dominant group to wither and disappear. There is no redemption for the individual whom the law touches. Any experiment which the State conducts is to his irreparable injury. He is forever deprived of a basic liberty. We mention these matters not to reexamine the scope of the police power of the States. We advert to them merely in emphasis of our view that strict scrutiny of the classification which a State makes in a sterilization law is essential, lest unwittingly, or otherwise, invidious discriminations are made against groups or types of individuals in violation of the constitutional guaranty of just and equal laws.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinner_v._Oklahoma

Strength lies in the wisdom and conviction of our judges, not the faux-pragmatic deceptions of our 'elected' 'leaders'.

As Ivan the Terrible said: Not Enough!

Compulsory sterilization programs are government policies which attempt to force people to undergo surgical sterilization. In the first half of the twentieth century, many such programs were instituted in many countries around the world, usually as part of eugenics programs intended to prevent the reproduction of members of the population considered to be carriers of undesirable genetic traits.

The first country to concertedly undertake compulsory sterilization programs for the purpose of eugenics was the United States. The principal targets of the American program were the mentally retarded and the mentally ill, but also targeted under many state laws were the deaf, the blind, the epileptic and the physically deformed. Native Americans were sterilized against their will in many states, often without their knowledge, while they were in a hospital for some other reason (e.g. after giving birth). Some sterilizations also took place in prisons and other penal institutions, targeting criminality, but they were in the relative minority. In the end, over 65,000 individuals were sterilized in 33 states under state compulsory sterilization programs in the United States.[1]

Most sterilization laws could be divided into three main categories of motivations: eugenic (concerned with heredity), therapeutic (part of an even-then obscure medical theory that sterilization would lead to vitality), or punitive (as a punishment for criminals), though of course these motivations could be combined in practice and theory (sterilization of criminals could be both punitive and eugenic, for example). Buck v. Bell asserted only that eugenic sterilization was constitutional, whereas Skinner v. Oklahoma ruled specifically against punitive sterilization, for example. Most operations only worked to prevent reproduction (such as severing the vas deferens in males), though some states (Oregon and North Dakota in particular) had laws which called for the use of castration. In general, most sterilizations were performed under eugenic statutes, in state-run psychiatric hospitals and homes for the mentally disabled.[3] There was never a federal sterilization statute, though eugenicist Harry H. Laughlin, whose state-level "Model Eugenical Sterilization Law" was the basis of the statute affirmed in Buck v. Bell, proposed the structure of one in 1922.[4]
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization

I think it is a good idea to sterilize the rest of the natives. We should grant them the dignity and the mystique of extinction. Am I kidding? Probably.

art is greater than life.

Vedran Smailović (born November 11, 1956) is a famous musician in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Smailović is the son of musician Avdo Smailovic.

He played in the Sarajevo Opera, The Sarajevo Philharmonic Orchestra, The Symphony Orchestra RTV Sarajevo, and The National Theatre of Sarajevo.

After the start of the war in Bosnia, Vedran Smailović, just like hundreds of thousands of other residents who witnessed the Siege of Sarajevo, survived the cold, food and water shortages, the constant bombings and sniper fire in the street.

in 1992, Smailović played his cello for 22 days to honour the 22 people who had been killed by Serbian forces while queuing for bread. Smailović was also known for playing for free at different funerals despite the fact that funerals were often targeted by Serb forces.

He managed to leave the besieged city in late 1993, and since then has been involved in numerous music projects, as a performer, composer and conductor.

Vedran Smailović now lives in Northern Ireland.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedran_Smailovi%C4%87






I suppose after the yugoslav wars, it's nice to unwind and relax in northern ireland.

The man I want to execute me, if it comes to that

Darshan Singh is the chief hangman of Singapore.

Darshan Singh commenced his post as the hangman for the British colonial service in 1959 upon the retirement of the previous hangman, Mr Seymour. Singh has wanted to resign, but there has been trouble finding a suitable replacement.

He has hanged more than 850 condemned prisoners throughout his career, and carries the distinction of being the only hangman to have hanged 18 people in one day (3 at a time). He receives a payment of S$400 (US$312) per execution performed. He also had the distinction of being the fastest hangman for carrying out 7 hangings within 90 minutes.

He has the job of speaking the last words to every person condemned to hang which are:

"I am going to send you to a better place than this. God bless you."

He is a Muslim, having converted from Sikhism when he married his Malay wife. He believes that the death penalty provides "complete rehabilitation":

"I'm changing their character to a different one because I believe in rebirth and they will be better men next time."

He refers to the Official Table of Drops as a part of his line of work.

His first marriage ended when his wife found out about his occupation. He is currently married to a second wife and has three adopted children.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darshan_Singh

You see, we were playing baseball and she fell down the stairs then ran into a door... she's clumsy.

Zahra "Ziba" Kazemi-Ahmadabadi (زهرا کاظمی احمدآبادی in Persian)‎ (1949 - July 11, 2003) was an Iranian (Persian)-born freelance photographer, residing in Montreal (Canada), who died in the custody of Iranian officials following her arrest.

Although Iran's regime insists that her death was accidental, Shahram Azam, a former military staff physician who left Iran and sought asylum in Canada in 2004, has stated that he examined Kazemi's body and observed evidence of rape and torture, including a skull fracture, broken nose, crushed toe, broken fingers, and severe abdominal bruising. The Canadian government, as well as Kazemi's supporters, consider her death to be a murder.

On July 14, 2004, the Iranian government rejected requests for Canadian government observers to attend the trial, despite promises and assurances by the Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi and judiciary officials to the Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs Bill Graham. The same day, Graham recalled the ambassador at Tehran, Philip MacKinnon. But later, MacKinnon, together with the Dutch ambassador (representing the European Union) and diplomats from the British and French embassies, were allowed to attend the July 17 trial, though not the July 18 one. The Judge Farahani was quoted on July 18 as saying that "(he) made a mistake yesterday. The bar is to show the world that Iran won't bow under pressure." Hamid Reza Assefi, the spokesman for the Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said "We hadn't permitted an observer from the beginning. But you should ask the reason for the ban from the court, there may had been a shortage of seats." Assefi also said that since Iran does not recognize dual nationality and Kazemi was an Iranian citizen who entered the country under an Iranian passport, never having requested her citizenship to be removed, that the case was clearly an internal affair.

The end of July saw Iran's judiciary adding "accidental fall" and "hunger strike" to the list of alleged causes for Kazemi's death. They claimed that Kazemi had gone on a hunger strike voluntarily, developed low blood pressure that made her dizzy, fallen, and hit her head. Detractors point out that this story does not explain her broken bones, genital injuries or skin lacerations.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahra_Kazemi

To use an old folk saying Mr. Assefi, that dog don't hunt. It is easy to find Iran guilty. It is stomach turning to realize that the United States is not dissimilar. God give us the strength to change this land.

In Total Shocker, Government finds Government not Responsible for Government Disaster

Hundreds of lawsuits were filed as a result of the disaster. Many of them were combined into Elizabeth Dalehite, et al. v. United States, under the recently enacted Federal Tort Claims Act (FTCA). On April 13, 1950, the district court found the United States responsible for a litany of negligent acts of omission and commission by 168 named agencies and their representatives in the manufacture, packaging, and labeling of ammonium nitrate, further compounded by errors in transport, storage, loading, fire prevention, and fire suppression, all of which resulted in the explosions and the subsequent carnage. On June 10, 1952, the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals overturned this decision, finding that the United States maintained the right to exercise its own "discretion" in vital national matters. The Supreme Court affirmed that decision (346 U.S. 15, June 8, 1953), in a 4-to-3 opinion, noting that the district court had no jurisdiction under the federal statute to find the U.S. government liable for “negligent planning decisions” which were properly delegated to various departments and agencies. In short, the FTCA clearly exempts “failure to exercise or perform a discretionary function or duty”, and the Court found that all of the alleged acts in this case were discretionary in nature.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_Disaster

The problem

Today the only known former member of the Klan to hold a federal office in the United States is Democratic Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, who says he "deeply regrets" joining the Klan over half a century ago, when he was about 24 years old.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

His crime is not being a klansman. his crime is being swept along with the current. His crime is standing for nothing. His crime is being a racist in a racist society and an anti-racist in an anti-racist society. His crime is being putty.

The Invisible Army of the South is missing a few brigades

year membership
1920 4,000,000
1930 30,000
1970 2,000
2000 3,000
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

Just give up. You're embarassing everyone.

Ah, Solidarity of the Discriminated Minorities...

The defense, in its closing statements, explicitly opened up the racial dimensions of the case, saying, "...if Frank hadn't been a Jew he would never have been prosecuted..." and, "Conley is a plain, beastly, drunken, filthy, lying nigger with a spreading nose through which probably tons of cocaine has been sniffed." The prosecutor compared Frank to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, and said that Frank had killed Phagan to keep her from talking, both to preserve his reputation and because if she had told her story of being raped, "ten thousand men ... would have sprung up in this town and would have stormed the jail."
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Frank

Either the Nigger or the Kike did it. We're going to lynch one of them, and it doesn't much matter which.

Optimism is an Asset to Health and Wealth

Faced with growing Khmer Rouge belligerence, the Vietnamese leadership decided in early 1978 to support internal resistance to the Pol Pot regime, with the result that the Eastern Zone became a focus of insurrection. War hysteria reached bizarre levels within Democratic Kampuchea. In May 1978, on the eve of So Phim's Eastern Zone uprising, Radio Phnom Penh declared that if each Cambodian soldier killed thirty Vietnamese, only 2 million troops would be needed to eliminate the entire Vietnamese population of 50 million.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Kampuchea

Behold My Creation!

Maribel Domínguez
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maribel Domínguez is a Mexican female footballer who was born in 1978. In the 2004 Athens Olympics, she led the Mexican women's Olympic soccer team to the quarter-finals. [1] Later in 2004, Dominguez accepted a two-year contract from a second-division Mexican men's football club, Celaya. This was a previously unprecedented move. The Federación Mexicana de Fútbol Asociación did not object, but deferred to FIFA headquarters in Zurich for an official ruling.

A statement from FIFA ruled against mixed-gender football teams. From the report: "There must be a clear separation between men's and women's football."[2] Furthermore, a ban was placed on Dominguez appearing in an exhibition game outside the league but still alongside men.

"I just wanted to be given the chance to try," Domínguez said. "If I failed I would have been the first to say I can't do it, the first to admit it doesn't work. But at least I would have tried." [3]
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maribel_Dominguez

They screwed up.

The NEMO was an unreleased video game console developed by Hasbro, notable for using VHS tapes rather than cartridges. It is notable because several of the games (most notably Sewer Shark and Night Trap) were eventually released on other systems (usually disc based) IE: Sega CD, 3DO etc.

According to the Wall Street Journal at the time, NEMO stood for "Never Even Mention Outside" by the developer, an indication of how secretive the project was.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMO

Call me new fashioned, but that's retarded. How with the... why? just WHY?

They really screwed up by not making this stupid bastard. They could've sold millions of them to gamers who must own every system and rich assholes who enjoy being 'ironic'.

A Giant of Suffering

Doctors examining him for his later trial claimed that he was a sadomasochist, indulging in self-mutilation, driving needles into his body, mostly around his genitals. He said he tried sticking a needle in his scrotum but it was too painful, and there were needles in his pelvis that were permanently embedded. He would stuff cotton balls soaked with lighter fluid into his rectum and set fire to them.

At his trial, which opened on March 11, 1935, Fish pleaded insanity. He claimed to have heard voices from God telling him to kill children. Several psychiatrists took the stand to talk of Fish's many sexual fetishes, including coprophilia, urophilia, pedophilia and masochism, but there was disagreement as to whether these activities necessarily meant someone was insane. The defense's chief expert witness was Frederic Wertham, a psychiatrist with a focus on child development who conducted psychiatric examinations for the New York criminal courts; Wertham stated flatly that Fish was insane. The trial lasted for ten days. The jury found him to be sane and guilty, and the judge ordered the death sentence.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Fish

Albert fish, killer. If one is truly devoted to suffering, one must inflict and endure suffering. Textbook example of an insane man, but still he was destroyed. Not because he was guilty, but because we could not knowingly allow him to exist in the same world as us. One had to be destroyed: Him, or the society. He was not a guilty man, but an unfortunate human sacrifice that had to be made.

*tersely* Mistakes.... Were Made.

Many people were outraged to learn that Milwaukee police returned Laotian teenager Konerak Sinthasomphone, 14, to Dahmer after he (Dahmer) convinced police that Sinthasomphone was his 19 year-old lover. This happened shortly after Konerak had escaped from Dahmer during the early morning hours of May 27, 1991. He was discovered wandering and disoriented. Dahmer claimed they had an argument. After being returned against his will by the Police, later that night Dahmer dismembered Sinthasomphone and would keep his skull as a souvenir. Konerak Sinthasomphone was the younger brother of the boy Dahmer was convicted of molesting in 1988.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer

People are Proud of Ignorance

Technological literacy is the ability to understand and evaluate technology. It complements technological competency, which is the ability to create, repair, or operate specific technologies, commonly computers. William Wulf, president of the US National Academy of Engineering wrote, "There is a major difference between technological competence and technological literacy. Literacy is what everyone needs. Competence is what a few people need in order to do a job or make a living. And we need both." (2002)

A clear distinction between literacy and competency is the degree of specialization necessary. Technological literacy is a critical thinking skill based on understanding general patterns that transcend specific technologies. It is attainable by most if not all of society. Technological competency requires a detailed understanding of specific technologies, for example to program a computer or repair a car or design a robot to explore other planets. It is attainable by specialists. A person can be generally literate about technology, but nobody can be competent with all technology because it is advancing on many fronts and in great detail. Perusing the technical journals in a university research library drives the point home: countless developments occurring around the world in fields with their own specialized terminology and concepts. Even immortality would just give a person more time to fall behind the state of the art.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_literacy

Why do people think racists are tragic losers?

In 1991, Metzger had to agree to stop selling T-shirts of Bart Simpson in a Nazi uniform with the words "Pure Nazi Dude." Metzger was convicted in 1991 of burning a cross in 1983, and sentenced to six months in prison and 300 hours community service working with minorities. Metzger was released from prison 46 days into his sentence to be with his critically ill wife, who died after Metzger's home was seized.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Metzger

True, his critcally ill wife died, but the bart thing is funny. Did he think he was going to win that lawsuit?

Lessons of History

Castro, a lawyer, defended himself at his trial. His defence speech, History Will Absolve Me , was written down by a court reporter. It became the platform of the 26th of July Movement, detailing plans for reform in Cuba, and was later frequently used in Castro's speeches. Castro was sentenced to death; however, at the urging of Roman Catholic priests, Batista abolished the death penalty just before Castro's execution, and he was sentenced instead to fifteen years in prison on the Isle of Pines (Now known as the Isle of Youth).
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moncada_Barracks

If you are a reactionary dictator, you must be as hard as the revolutionaries that oppose you. They will gnash teeth and call you a monster, but remember this: The revolution never occours during the height of terror and oppresssion. It only ocours after the slackening of reppression.

Stab in The Back!

In 2003, a group of Conservative Republicans in the United States Congress proposed removing Roosevelt's image from the dime, and replacing it with President Ronald Reagan. Legislation to this effect was introduced in November 2003 by Indiana Representative Mark Souder. Among the more notable opponents of the legislation was Nancy Reagan, who in December 2003 stated that, "When our country chooses to honor a great president such as Franklin Roosevelt by placing his likeness on our currency, it would be wrong to remove him." After President Reagan's death in June 2004, the proposed legislation gained additional support. Souder, however, stated that he was not going to pursue the legislation any further.[7][19][20]
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dime_%28United_States_coin%29

That's What I'm Talking 'bout

He would spend about one year researching a subject, followed by six months reviewing his notes and, finally, about 18 months writing the book. That aggressive research — tracking rebel guerrillas in the Peruvian jungle at age 67 for The Evening News (1990), or reading 27 books on the hotel industry for Hotel - gave his novels a realism that appealed to readers, even as some critics complained that he used it to mask a lack of literary talent.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Hailey

there's something glorious about that. To research, to really know what you're talking about, so that you works capture realities beyond those of human interaction.

Actung!

Not For Public Consumption (internal memo that should be read by no-one) Stop Reading this. Right now
Eventually, it may be wise to purchase a page for this. Given that artery planet accepts pay-pal, the chances of me being able to purchase a page go up quite a bit.
Possible web addresses
shardsofwiki.com
wikishards.com
coyoteuglyfan111.com
wikipoop.biz
wikisluts.com
poopinablanket.com
jaffapoopcakes.com
rectumitkilled-him.com

The theme is simple.
1) Post anything funny that has come out of wikipedia, or post something and then say something funny about it, or both.
2) Post interesting things from wikipedia, then say something funny or interesting about them.
3) A potent swirl of both of the above.

Work away, building an underground cathedral in our salt mine with the hope of giving reality some seasoning. Ouch. Reading through this should be like being punched in the stomach. No one said this would be easy.

Eventually, if we attract any notice, either completely by accident or by a well orchestrated wikipedia vandalism campaign, other parts can be added.

I think it would be interesting to have a "main" section then a "community" section where people can contribute their own. If a person finds articles and comments with sufficient quality and frequency, they should be invited to come aboard and thus gain access to the 'main' section. Of course, if no one ever visits the site, there's little real point in doing that.

How can one promote things without being absolutely annoying and pathetic? This is the question we must ask ourselves less and less often as we become more abrasive and whorish in our desperate quest for piles of gold.

As the strike progressed through the months, Samant's militancy in the face of government obstinacy led to the failure of any attempts at negotiation and resolution. Disunity and dissatisfaction over the strike soon became apparent, and many textile millowners began moving their plants outside the city. After a prolonged and destabilizing confrontation, the strike collapsed with Samant and his allies not having obtained even any concessions. The closure of textile mills across the city left tens of thousands of mill workers unemployed, and in the succeeding years the most of the industry moved away from Mumbai, after decades of being plagued by rising costs and union militancy. Although Samant remained popular with a large block of union activists, his clout and control over Mumbai trade unions disappeared.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutta_Samant

A perfect example of why class antagonism is a bad policy all around. A union must be able to offer something to the management and owners. More efficency, working harder, stability, and the like.

Wiki-War is Hell

Regarding the picture

The caption given declares that the glass is half full; surely many may view it as half empty, an equally valid opinion, therefore the current caption does not conform to wikipedia rules on NPOV. -Unknown

The new way is pedantic and seems like a complex joke. I would prefer it to say a glass of water, and so it shall. 66.41.66.213 11:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I think the picture of a glass of water adds nothing to the article. I personally think it should be removed. --Burbster 17:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Water_intoxication#Regarding_the_picture

Making Life Difficult for No Goddamn Reason

User talk:202.156.6.54

This is my user page I could removed anything I want to the conexts as long as I feel discomfort with it, I don't understand why do you reverted that. 23:30, 21 April 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.156.6.54 (talk • contribs) .

No, the talk page of IP 202.156.6.54 is not "your" user page, since the IP is a proxy of starhub which dozens of users share at the same time. I suggest you register your own user account to avoid any misunderstanding or confusion. --BorgQueen 23:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Since I am a user for this IP, what makes me the owner for this user page as well as with the dozens of users. I don't see any problem with that. 23:39, 21 April 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.156.6.54 (talk • contribs) .

First, strictly speaking, you don't "own" your user page. Wikipedia does. Second, even if you do own it, then all those dozens of users are co-owners, and you will need their agreement to make any change to the shared user page. It is a shared property, and you have no right to make any change without other users' agreement. --BorgQueen 23:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

No, you're wrong, I never meant to said I does own the page, however when ever there's anything which I felt discomfort with it, I could removed it, those replies were clearly for me, not for the others user, so I had the right to remove it, I don't need an agreement from other users, and lastly please explain your reason whenever you reverted an user page next time. If anything, you may want to consider emailing abuse on other users at starhub dot com and waste your time as well, since I obviously own the IP. 00:02, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:BorgQueen#User_talk:202.156.6.54

Move over Machiavelli

"Evil reptilian kitten-eater from another planet (Sorry.)" was a pejorative used to refer to Ontario Liberal Party leader Dalton McGuinty. It first appeared in a press release disseminated by the rival Ontario Progressive Conservative Party on September 12, 2003, during the provincial election campaign in Ontario, Canada.

The incident was an embarrassment for the Tories, who were already having difficulty in the election. Their leader, Premier Ernie Eves, refused to apologize for the incident, but acknowledged that it was "over the top" and that someone had probably drunk "way too much coffee." Press reporting on the incident appeared to turn public opinion against the party, not due to the comment itself, but that the fact that it became public suggested a campaign that was badly out of control and growing desperate. The incident came in the middle of a large campaign of attack ads launched by the Tory party targeting McGuinty, most notably focusing on his strong links to the teacher's unions. The release, while likely in jest, was seen as a symbol of the negative turn the Tory campaign had taken.

Mr. McGuinty denied the accusation of ailurophagy. "I love kittens, and I like puppies too," he commented. Though he initially pledged not to allow the issue to side-track the campaign, the Liberals ran with the joke. Slogans involving kittens ("We may be kitten-eaters but we want change") were printed on T-shirts, a group of Liberals meowed at an assembly in Niagara Falls, and Mr. McGuinty had his picture taken with a kitten named Snowball as he visited a farm in Stratford.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_reptilian_kitten-eater_from_another_planet

So Long and So Stupid... No Cut, No Mercy

Jewishness

This guy is Jewish. When I tried say he was Jewish, people removed it. Some of the categories this article has are Jewish categories, so why can't we say he's a Jew? I'm just looking out for my people.Jimjones5 02:23, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Cross says that Judaism is the only religion where you cannot get out of it, no matter what you believe. You may insist he is Jewish, but he has made his Atheism clear. Laszlo Panaflex 01:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree with Laszlo Panaflex--if you've ever listened to David Cross, he talks at length about his religious status and general disbelief in religion. As an encyclopedic entry, it would be incorrect to label Cross as Jewish when he as clearly renounced any belief in that religion. Mrestko 02:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

P.S.: I just discovered this link on the bottom of the main article page: Cross On Atheism. It clearly documents Cross's Atheism and should end this discussion. Mrestko 02:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Judaism, like another Wikipedia article says, is also an ethnic group and culture. He is Jewish because he's ethnically Jewish. Plenty of Jews are agnostics and atheists. Somatomy 03:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

So his own opinion does not matter? He does not self-identify as Jewish, so is it hoisted upon anyway? It would be correct to say he is of Jewish ancestry, as he does in a quote on the page, but to say in the first line of the article that he is Jewish misrepresents him and his views. Laszlo Panaflex 05:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I can't find anything where he considers himself Jewish and it does seem that he doesn't. It should be said somewhere in the article that he's of Jewish descent though, I think (although the subcategories he's in indicate it). Somatomy 05:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

His ancestry is not relevant. It doesn't seem to influence him as a person other than as a joke in some of his bits. This article is about him and his career as an actor and comedian, not the geological and religious background of his ancestors. Mrestko 07:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

He's not a rock. Arniep 07:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I know this is obscure, but I think Mrestko is talking about the rabbi in the middle ages who created a golem in Jewish folklore. If this guy was David Cross's ancestor, that means that he may be a descendant of the person who built the first robot. The story isn't true though like the rest of the religion, so I don't know why Mrestko even brought that up. Somatomy 07:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, that was a typo-I meant geographic background (referring to the geographic origin of this ancestors). Mrestko 15:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

His ancestry is a fact about him. If he were black, it would be mentioned somewhere. I see a lot of articles that mention Irish and Italian ancestry. Articles generally do mention ethnic background. Somatomy 21:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe people still don't get this. He's not a fucking Jew. He's white. I don't know why you people still argue this to the death. --Macarion 22:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Just what the hell is that supposed to mean? Most Jews are white, the Ashkenazi are anyway.L0b0t 02:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

So he's just generic white with no ethnic background beyond that. You're right, I didn't get it. Thanks for explaining it. Somatomy 04:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Somatomy. All that's needed is a sentence summarizing all this discussion, that although he is of Jewish descent he is an avowed atheist, a fact complicated by Jewish tradition stating that if your mother's Jewish then you're Jewish. Maybe including his own summary of this situation from Shut Up You Fucking Baby would be best. Thoughts? --TM 13:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I added a quote summarizing his opnion of the relationship between his atheism and his Jewish ancestry taking lines from track 2 of Shut up etc., "Lunch with Frankenstein" between about 6:00 and 8:30. --TM 13:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I approve of this. Somatomy 20:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I think that quote needs to come from a source. I only found one page that had a quote like that and it conflicted with yours. The page isn't up though (njatheist.org), I was only able to access the cache. The "can't" was in there but some other stuff was different. Somatomy 07:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

You can't just make up some random rule about your religion

"Oh, if you talk to me, you're a Jew"

No, it's a religion like all the others, people get to decide what they are, not some arbitrary tradition --Macarion 03:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not an "arbitrary tradition",to be a Jew one has to meet three criteria: circumcision, a micvah (ritual bath), and a Bar or Bat Mitzvah. If you have done these three things, then congratulations you are a Jew and all the nay saying in the world won't change that fact. The thing about ones mother being Jewish only refers to the Israeli "Right of Return" where anyone with a Jewish mother is considered Jewish enough to emigrate to Israel.L0b0t 13:21, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Jewish law says that if your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish, regardless of any other factor. It has nothing to do with emigration to Israel. SlimVirgin (talk) 13:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Exactly, thank you --Macarion 18:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why Lobot was saying that. I wasn't bar mitzvahed, I'm an agnostic leaning towards atheism, and I'm against organized religion, but I'm still Jewish. Somatomy 18:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

You still don't seem to understand that it's not just a religion, it's also an ethnic group. For example, if someone's background is Russian Jewish, he doesn't lose the "Jewish" part of his ancestry if he becomes an atheist. He's not suddenly just Russian or white. Jews are a specific kind of white person ethnically and Russian Jews are a specific kind of Russian ethnically. Somatomy 05:26, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Not all jews are white, many Mizrahi Jews for example are darker skinned, and I believe there are Jews from Ethiopia who most people would describe as black. Arniep 19:17, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

That depends on what you consider white. Yes, the Ethiopian jews aren't white. But middle eastern people are considered white by many including myself. They're very similar racially to Southern Italians and Greeks. I was talking about the Jewish ethnic group though. The Jewish ethnic group is white. Somatomy 19:28, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe genetic tests have shown that the Ethiopian Jews also originate in the male line to the Israel/Palestine area. Arniep 20:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean "in the male line?" Somatomy 21:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The male Y-Chromosome is genetically very similar to other Jews, Palestinians and Kurds. Arniep 21:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

If a black woman becomes a Jew and has a son, is that son automatically a Jew, even though he doesn't share the same ethnicity as the real "ethnic Jews"? --Macarion 21:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

You keep missing the point, Macarion. You seem incapable of understanding what I've been trying to say. I'm not talking about the "mother being jewish" rule at all. Somatomy 23:31, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, one and all, for preparing the above comments, which I will be lifting whole for a new routine I call, "People on the internet are more fucking stupid than anyone ever imagined." You will not be credited or listed in the thank you section of the CD, but you are free to go around saying, "hey, I'm one of the stupid fucks he's talking about!" David Cross 01:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I wonder if it's really him!!!

I really doubt it's David Cross, but I hope it is and I hope he's not joking because being in his next CD would be cool. I'm a big fan of his. I'll wish I hadn't been using my fake Wikipedia name. It's not David Cross though, I'm guessing. Besides its being unlikely in general, that profile was just created today. Somatomy 01:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not all that unlikely, a few people have edited/commented on their own article, some even try to make it less unflattering (either Milli or Vanilli did it I think). And having a discussion with points as brilliant as "I can't believe people still don't get this. He's not a fucking Jew. He's white." being associated with you would probably be enough to warrant a comment. --TM 03:07, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I still think it's much more likely that someone else was watching this argument, created the username last night, and posted it as a joke. I don't think it was Macarion though because it was too well-written. Whoever did it is a fairly convincing David Cross. Somatomy 07:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:David_Cross